I spoke to independent Dutch photographer Daphne (@ikbendaf) who was on the ground where these riots took place. We spoke about how this incident was reported on, the disinformation surrounding it, and how the narrative was inverted to portray the racist soccer/football hooligans as victims of an antisemitic pogrom. Pls support the show if you enjoy this content patreon.com/nicemangos —— Links: A good summary of how this disinformation campaign in western media went down: https://youtu.be/DvTyg1kJGzM?si=6nnK6IBHOk9LUyvE BBC claiming that Israeli football fans were attacked using footage of Israeli football fans attacking: https://x.com/jewdas/status/1854842291128582595?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Dutch photographer Annet correcting disinformation online https://x.com/iannetnl/status/1854704169560531426?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw NY Times killed investigation of Israeli hooligans, internal email reveals https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/ny-times-killed-investigation-israeli-hooligans-internal-email-reveals Amsterdam Police talking about the actions of Maccabi Tel Aviv fans https://x.com/theserfstv/status/1855078297341767699?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Thread by Jewish activist on the history of Maccabi Tel Aviv’s racist fan base https://x.com/rafaelshimunov/status/1854994292449677493?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Israeli Soldier Mazal Edri saying that ‘women and children in Gaza will pay the price’ for what happened in Amsterdam https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1855003413773533644?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Israeli supporters of the football club Maccabi Haifa are seen attempting to burn the flags of Palestine and Netherlands while chanting “Gaza is a cemetery” at Teddy stadium in Jerusalem. https://x.com/middleeasteye/status/1855219258827186322?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Maccabi Tel Aviv fans singing genocidal songs after being ‘rescued’ and arriving at the airport back in Israel https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1855173606273151436?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Sky News removing their own report to reframe and re-edit it https://x.com/david_k_clark/status/1855228917545685005?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw IDF soldiers make threatening posts about Amsterdam on Instagram using Palestinian abductees https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1854887044369076322?s=61&t= Dutch police arrest more than 100 Palestine solidarity protesters in Amsterdam after they defied a demonstration ban put in place after clashes between Israeli Maccabi Tel Aviv fans and people in the city https://x.com/ajenglish/status/1855666970701549747?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Maccabi Tel Aviv supporter tells the IDF to Attack Amsterdamhttps://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1856066303884181683?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Amsterdam mayor regrets using word ‘pogrom’ https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/1858533745852035091?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Clips of Amsterdam locals reacting to Maccabi Tel Aviv violence are from Middle East Eye https://youtube.com/shorts/FLglbgp9VwU?si=2wzUWQE3Av06WdjD On Zionists doing antisemitism at student encampments: https://x.com/thedailybeast/status/1784261533771464849?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Nearly 70% of victims in Gaza are women and children https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn5wel11pgdo Israel’s Hannibal Directive https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-07/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-ordered-hannibal-directive-on-october-7-to-prevent-hamas-taking-soldiers-captive/00000190-89a2-d776-a3b1-fdbe45520000

Here’s an in-depth look at Sam Harris’s post-election transphobic meltdown. Which hasn’t changed much from his 2016 post-election meltdown. _____ Links: Woking Up Miniseries Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1caIpbHnvDjKu0Ph4DA0Nb?si=mVwmALDdQnG1w4TgBsu-eg&pi=u-1R3kJWRIR0Om Find me on Bluesky at: nicemangos@bsky.social /Instagram @nicemangosart More about the Centrists at Blueprint Polling: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/blueprint-polling-reid-hoffman-biden-trump.html https://x.com/blueprint_2024/status/1857464633365508479?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw On the Rise of the Latino far right: https://bsky.app/profile/therightpodcast.bsky.social/post/3lba5o5ls5s2p Majority of ‘news influencers’ are conservative men: https://www.usermag.co/p/the-majority-of-news-influencers ‘Your body, my choice’: Attacks on women surge on social media following election https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/11/business/your-body-my-choice-movement-election/index.html Mass arrests after pro-Israel inciter shouts ‘ki!! The J*ws’ https://x.com/thedailybeast/status/1784261533771464849?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw World court finds Israel responsible for Apartheid https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/19/world-court-finds-israel-responsible-apartheid Angela Carini apologizes to Imane Khelif https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/c2j3jg51rg4o IOC calls tests that sparked vitriol targeting boxers Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-Ting impossibly flawed https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-imane-khelif-lin-yuting-boxing-13e9529195585404c7b03c96f97dd634 Emane’s father shares document with Reuters that states her gender https://www.reuters.com/sports/olympics/father-algerian-boxer-khelif-says-he-is-honoured-by-his-daughter-2024-08-03/ Inside the tough childhood of Emane Khelif https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/imane-khelif-olympics-boxer-trans-debate-gender-xy-chromosome-b2594067.html Tenured Jewish professor fired for criticism of Israel https://www.insidehighered.com/news/faculty-issues/academic-freedom/2024/09/27/tenured-jewish-prof-says-shes-fired-pro-palestine Gender-affirming surgeries rarely performed on transgender youth https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/gender-affirming-surgeries-rarely-performed-on-transgender-youth/ Biden’ s day 1 executive orders https://www.politico.com/interactives/2021/interactive_biden-first-day-executive-orders/ Sex Redefined https://www.nature.com/articles/518288a https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/kamala-harris-trans-rights-platform/ In a 2019 ACLU survey, Kamala Harris said she supported gender-affirming care for all trans adults, even those who were incarcerated in prisons or ICE facilities.

Entering the arena of US ElectionTakes™ now that I’ve finally gotten over the initial shock. There are of course multiple lenses to look at the results through and many ways to interpret what went wrong. I’ve seen people suggest the main factors are racism/sexism… while others say the main issue was The Dems’ failure to speak to financial pain, currently felt across the nation. I say…why not both?These things are often connected - throughout history we’ve seen fascism rise in times of economic woes. — Subscribe via Patreon.com/nicemangos to access the extended episode. In the extended version we discuss Bari Weiss, Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins and Andrew Sullivan comes up too. — Links: YouGov/IMEU poll mentioned in the episode: https://x.com/prem_thakker/status/1823907019780128772?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Kamala on The View: https://x.com/halalflow/status/1854496962294214687?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Dawkins’ Tweet: https://x.com/richarddawkins/status/1854527379869175843?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Judge clarifies that yes Trump was found to have R*ped Jean Carroll https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/ Listen To The Jeffrey Epstein Tapes: ‘I Was Donald Trump’s Closest Friend’ https://www.thedailybeast.com/listen-to-the-jeffrey-epstein-tapes-i-was-donald-trumps-closest-friend/ Trump uses ‘Palestinian’ as a slur: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-criticized-palestinian-insult-debate-with-biden-2024-06-28/ Former White House chief of staff John Kelly says Trump fits the definition of ‘fascist’ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/john-kelly-says-donald-trump-meets-definition-fascist-rcna176706 Bari Weiss claiming The Dems ran on ‘gender fluidity’ https://x.com/thefp/status/1854609233322344487?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Here’s an episode discussing some recent (incredibly bleak) current events, as well as a closer look at how things are being framed in western media to normalize/minimize the horrors of Israel’s actions. We zoom in on a particular Fox News segment, with one Douglas Murray, who is currently living out his most g3nocidal fantasties, hanging with the Israeli Diaper Forces. Subscribe via patreon.com/nicemangos to access the extended episode _____ Links: Douglas Murray’s Fox News clip, featured in this episode: https://x.com/breeesq/status/1845204895353405459?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Douglas Murray crying about census results: https://x.com/nicemangos/status/968252156385120256?s=61&t= Former Deputy Head of Israel’s National Security Council is calling on all IDF soldiers and officers to defy orders and not carry out war crimes in Northern Gaza. https://x.com/benzionsanders/status/1848667535207526587?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Ethnic cleansing conference titled ‘Conference to Re-settle Gaza’ organized by Likud https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/edge-gaza-israeli-settlers-want-back-2024-10-21/ BBC question time ‘Has Israel Gone Beyond Self Defense’ https://youtu.be/5I2-ikpaC4Q?si=HClIMmH8NAxLuw3y CNN article that sympathizes with the IDF over the 100s of people they eliminate: https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/21/middleeast/gaza-war-israeli-soldiers-ptsd-suicide-intl/index.html Howard Jacobson claims that reporting on how many children were killed by Israel is a form of Blood Libel: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/06/tales-of-infanticide-have-stoked-hatred-of-jews-for-centuries-they-echo-still-today https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/rationalizing-the-horrors-of-israels-war-in-gaza Douglas’ g3nocide cosplay https://x.com/nicemangos/status/1848030154485895643?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw The total number of United Nations member states that recognize a Palestinian state is 146 out of 193. https://www.newsweek.com/number-nations-recognize-palestine-statehood-growing-1903643 Murray’s Holocaust revisionism published in the Jewish Chronicle https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/why-must-jews-watch-their-backs-as-london-mobs-cheer-ul2b765s - a publication that recently went through an embarrassing scandal, having to remove a series of articles based on ‘wild fabrications’ as well as having to remove the ‘freelance journalist’ that made it all up. As he had also misrepresented his resume. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/14/crisis-at-jewish-chronicle-as-stories-are-withdrawn#:~:text=The%20world's%20oldest%20Jewish%20newspaper,had%20also%20misrepresented%20his%20résumé. The conversation between Peter Beinart & Ta-Nehisi Coates referenced in this episode https://open.spotify.com/episode/6RbSzXch8D4ZlbVaIfJVw6?si=zT2GJdpyR2CqcfAgFQhUDg

[This is a sample of the recent Premium BONUS episode. Join us on the Premium tiers via Patreon.com/nicemangos to access the full episode.] Here’s a link to the footage of Sinwar’s final moments, as well as someone on Israeli TV immediately recognizing the release of this footage for the tactical error it was. https://x.com/middleeasteye/status/1848557740819681509?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

In this episode, I reflect on the past year of unbelievable horror… the excuses and legitimizing we’ve seen from the media and our politicians, how deeply entrenched tropes of ‘civilized’ vs ‘barbarian’ are. I also take a closer look at Ta-Nehisi Coates’ recent interview on CBS morning as well as his interview with Jon Stewart. If you enjoy this show pls consider supporting via patreon.com/nicemangos and access extended episodes. —— Links: Ta-Nehisi Coates’ recent interview on CBS https://x.com/cbsmornings/status/1840749848703770679?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Coates’ interview with Jon Stewart: https://youtu.be/d0-y0X51Xtw?si=yXmRVqczuKIAq1kx How Israel's Army Uses Palestinians as Human Shields in Gaza https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-military-human-shields.html On centering supporters over victims of this genocide: Rationalizing the Horrors of Israel’s war in Gaza https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/rationalizing-the-horrors-of-israels-war-in-gaza Widespread, systemic sexual abuse, r*pe and torture of Palestinian detainees: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-29/ty-article/.premium/idf-police-raid-sde-teiman-prison-detain-soldiers-suspected-of-abusing-detainee/00000190-fe2c-d22a-abfe-ff2c10c20000 https://x.com/ha_matar/status/1817885626458337336?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw https://www.972mag.com/sde-teiman-prisoners-lawyer-mahajneh/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/29/palestinian-prisoners-israel-jails-abuse/ https://jacobin.com/2024/07/israeli-soldiers-accused-of-rape-and-torture-of-palestinians Right to r*pe rallies break out in Israel: https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/8/13/israeli-protesters-rally-for-the-right-to-rape-prisoners My old Rogan episode where I discussed Jon Stewart a bit: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4JSlLjzkQMDNvy4DlOcmoZ?si=2Khz5EDzSya8aTwyclrJPw The largest cohort of paediatric amputees in history: https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/the-children-who-lost-limbs-in-gaza More women and children were killed in Gaza over the past year than any other conflict over the last two decades: https://time.com/7049499/oct-7-anniversary-israel-hamas-hezbollah-iran-future/ Zionist Columbia professor tweeting that Coates is not above ‘r*ping young women at a music festival’ https://x.com/melnickjeffrey1/status/1845145257593249901?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Additional awful takes about Coates’ criticism of Israel: https://x.com/aymanmsnbc/status/1845293374233846226?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

This is pt 2 of my conversation with Adi Callai, of the Rev & Reve Youtube channel. Adi grew up in Israel, researches counterinsurgency and military philosophy. He recently put out quite a radical, remarkable, well-researched video titled, ‘The Gaza Ghetto Uprising’. In this part of the conversation we discuss topics that have largely been downplayed or ignored by western media, like the use of the Hannibal Directive on Oct 7, as well as the silence of many large leftist content creators, the weaponizing of #metoo and feminist discourse. We also talk about the blatantly eliminationist rhetoric on the ‘Two Nice Jewish Boys podcast’. If you enjoy the show pls consider supporting via patreon.com/nicemangos ——— Links: IDF ordered Hannibal Directive on Oct 7 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-07/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-ordered-hannibal-directive-on-october-7-to-prevent-hamas-taking-soldiers-captive/00000190-89a2-d776-a3b1-fdbe45520000 Israeli forces accused of killing their own citizens under the 'Hannibal Directive' during October 7 chaos: “The doctrine, written in 1986 in response to the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers in Lebanon, gave permission for Israeli forces to fire on enemies holding their comrades hostage — even at risk to those hostages. Its authors said the directive did not allow captives to be killed, but critics say that over time an interpretation spread through the military that it was better to kill comrades than to allow their capture.” https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-07/israel-hannibal-directive-kidnap-hamas-gaza-hostages-idf/104224430 Translation of Giora Eiland’s gen ocidal article https://x.com/pixieofdeath/status/1726267178201362438?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Canada suspends ‘some’ arms exports to Israel https://www.democracynow.org/2024/9/11/headlines/canada_suspends_some_arms_export_licenses_to_israel IDF spokesman says Hamas can’t be destroyed https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-spokesman-says-hamas-cant-be-eliminated-will-remain-in-gaza-if-no-alternative/ Mehdi Hasan vs Benny Morris - Head to Head https://youtu.be/Amz2Sf1JMDE?siXKSqtA1KQrtJFf

Joining me for this episode is Adi Callai, of the Rev & Reve Youtube channel - With an unusual perspective for someone who grew up in Israel. Adi researches counterinsurgency and military philosophy …& recently put out quite a radical, remarkable, well-researched video titled, ‘The Gaza Ghetto Uprising’. In this part of the conversation we talk about topics such as; atrocity propaganda, the weaponization of identity for colonial purposes, pinkwashing, Refaat Al-Areer, the inversion of narratives (like Israel accusing Palestinians of using human shields while using human shields themselves). All this and more. If u enjoy the show pls consider supporting via patreon.com/nicemangos ——— Links: The Gaza Ghetto Uprising: https://youtu.be/Pt_1k7nSv1M?si=R0nIvAdNXkQxPBPZ Antisemitism, Weaponized: https://youtu.be/5MVIh6Rnzog?si=k7A6aJ02r_AKn-22 Hen Mazzig admits he was a paid contractor for the government of Israel:https://forward.com/israel/412206/did-this-pro-israel-superstar-work-as-a-secret-agent-on-college-campuses/ Smotrich self-IDs as a fascist homophobe: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-01-16/ty-article/.premium/israels-far-right-finance-minister-im-a-fascist-homophobe-but-i-wont-stone-gays/00000185-b921-de59-a98f-ff7f47c70000 NY Times “investigation” of mass r*pe by Hamas falls apart https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/watch-ny-times-investigation-mass-rape-hamas-falls-apart Israeli media has debunked the ultra-Orthodox group Zaka's gruesome October 7 atrocity stories, but the American press won't do it. https://theintercept.com/2024/02/27/zaka-october-7-israel-hamas-new-york-times/ New York Times Exposé Lacks Evidence to Claim Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence Oct. 7 https://www.democracynow.org/2024/3/1/nyt_anat_schwartz An investigation into a New York Times story is causing internal chaos at the company https://www.npr.org/2024/03/03/1235606433/an-investigation-into-a-new-york-times-story-is-causing-internal-chaos-at-the-co The unravelling of the New York Times 'Hamas r*pe' story https://www.aljazeera.com/program/the-listening-post/2024/3/2/the-unraveling-of-the-new-york-times-hamas-rape-story The New York Times pulled a high-profile episode of its podcast “The Daily” about sexual violence perpetrated by Hamas on October 7 amid a furious internal debate about the strength of it’s original reporting https://theintercept.com/2024/01/28/new-york-times-daily-podcast-camera/ Israeli soldiers are using Palestinian civilians as human shields in Gaza to enter and clear tunnels and buildings they suspect may have been booby-trapped, a leading Israeli NGO and newspaper have reported. https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/14/israeli-forces-in-gaza-use-civilians-as-human-shields-against-possible-booby-traps Israeli protesters rally for 'the right to r*pe' prisoners https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/8/13/israeli-protesters-rally-for-the-right-to-rape-prisoners

⚠️ Content Warning: discussion of Israel's assault on Gaza Hey folks, Here’s some of what I’ve been feeling lately. I will need to make some changes. If you enjoy the show, pls consider leaving a review and/or supporting via patreon.com/nicemangos [If you’re already a patron of the show this won’t affect you. But just so you know where I’m at.] As always, I’m super thankful to all the wonderful patrons of this show who make this work possible. It’s truly a privilege to have your support.

Joining me for this fun-filled episode of The Aftershow is Entomologist *and* Jordan Peterson/Muppet impressionist, Peter. We discussed a wide range of fascinating topics - from tabletop games & ‘nerd culture’ to air travel with octopuses, Jordan Peterson, The Muppets, Sam Harris, merge-gate, the recent multi-part episode on race ‘science’ & a whole lot more! Access the full episode/series by becoming a patron today via patreon.com/nicemangos Links: Original Salon Article that caused the merge-gate outrage https://www.salon.com/2021/06/05/how-the-new-atheists-merged-with-the-far-right-a-story-of-intellectual-grift-and-abject-surrender/ My first episode responding to those who were defending ‘New Atheism’ during merge-gate https://open.spotify.com/episode/6IQdcBSI6ShQuH5S6sYmi2?si=Inb2aotYSK221JCuZY72_w 2 Part Panel on merge-gate situation: Defending New Atheism, Maybe Just Don’t (pt 1) https://open.spotify.com/episode/6FesH5ZincC0rUfKtYPkad?si=L4Nxbg5iTxyLKSKTTajQiA Defending New Atheism, Maybe Just Don’t (pt 2) https://open.spotify.com/episode/2XIxGXj3IN8iLhU9xa0SPd?si=zlyJK1ztShqBH75WLk331w Twitter thread explaining the timeline of the merge-gate situation: https://x.com/nicemangos/status/1406646731933167619?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Polite Conversations episodes ft. Michael Brooks: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3PIDupohwYl7gzOdzXDHE4?si=pOIufMaSTu2iGr3chQp4yQ Review of Rubin’s Book https://open.spotify.com/episode/6sduCNViMS0uZLeVayYPj7?si=fhjtM6FNTyq0-Gn23sqR_g Recent Polite Conversations race ‘science’ episodes Pt 1: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1r8AfX2Z15mkgDBr8Q0e8g?si=2wIGL3vxReyzry7vz6-0yA Pt 2: https://open.spotify.com/episode/12HQ6bzV3iB0dhGwkgRQ3v?si=AHek0UOLROK6G1vhKJmpGg Pt 3: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3ZRzUS4RBy3qq3zo9Enaly?si=3srh-vtBR72-c_DTvyUp7A

In this part of the panel we discuss several online movements adjacent to race ‘science’ - Pronatalism, the tech right, Effective Altruism, etc. Present-day eugenicist Diana Fleischman trying to define eugenics as broadly as possible https://x.com/nicemangos/status/1385264417869283329?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw My Ex-Mus to TradFash Pipeline series that I mentioned (patreon exclusive) Pt 1- https://www.patreon.com/posts/ex-mus-to-pt-1-106445369?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link Pt 2- https://www.patreon.com/posts/ex-mus-to-pt-2-106501752?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link Pt 3- https://www.patreon.com/posts/ex-mus-to-pt-3-106529773?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link Rightwing Ex Muslim Sarah Haider tries to reassure her right/far-right audience that she supports white people having lots of babies https://x.com/nicemangos/status/1765759777848664346?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw On Effective Altruism: Fraud, Lies, Exploitation and Eugenic Fantasies https://www.truthdig.com/articles/effective-altruism-is-a-welter-of-fraud-lies-exploitation-and-eugenic-fantasies/ America’s premier pronatalists on having ‘tons of kids’ to save the world https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/article/2024/may/25/american-pronatalists-malcolm-and-simone-collins The articles Kevin mentioned near the end: https://www.science.org/content/article/it-s-toxic-place-how-online-world-white-nationalists-distorts-population-genetics https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-03252-z

My guests for this episode include science ‘influencer’ Mr. @Evopsychgoogle, evolutionary biologist Kevin Bird @thebirdmaniac on Twitter and anthropologist Cathryn Townsend @cathryntownsend On this part of the panel we discuss the panelists’ recent article in Stat News (linked below), on how this type of junk science continues to be legitimized to this day, despite glaring errors in the data. We discuss self-described ‘scientific racist’ Richard Lynn as well as E.O. Wilson, Steven Pinker, Sam Harris, Charles Murray and their contributions to race ‘science’. We also talk more broadly about how the Intellectual Dark Web has played a major role in reviving it in recent years. Links: The Panelists’ article that we discussed in the beginning of the episode: Journals that published Richard Lynn’s racist ‘research’ articles should retract them https://www.statnews.com/2024/06/20/richard-lynn-racist-research-articles-journals-retractions/ My previous episodes with Mr. @evopsychgoogle: Pt 1 - https://open.spotify.com/episode/4jSFhcmT6xNJ4JOwbEkscE?si=JnGZZ36GTNSVYKr0dYz4Fg Pt 2 - https://open.spotify.com/episode/5gvuP3xLyqKSpJgTjf43A3?si=AenT06jVTuGNc-pd6W4BtA My Miniseries on Sam Harris ‘Woking Up’ https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1caIpbHnvDjKu0Ph4DA0Nb?si=DxI59yjtRjuDV7rQSv9cEw&pi=u-kmAFEyuTRNiJ If you’d like to support the show pls subscribe to the YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@politeconversationspodcast —— Other Related articles: Quinn Slobodian article about the Pioneer Fund and The Bell Curve: https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-white-man-unburdened-slobodian-schrader The Tainted Sources of The Bell Curve: https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1994/12/01/the-tainted-sources-of-the-bell-curve/ Free book by William Tucker on The Bell Curve: https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-41614-9 Primary research articles debunking Lynn: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S104160801000035X?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1041608009001071?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886909003675?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289609001470?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289609000634?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886909002475?via%3Dihub https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/tzr8c https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/26vfb https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1041608024000141?via%3Dihub

Here’s the first part of my 3-part discussion on race ‘science’. In this part I talk about my own observations of the slimy tactics and talking points the IDW/Heterodox race ‘science’ fans tend to use. It’s a journey through some of the wildest IDW race ‘science’ clips I could find - From Molyneux and Rubin discussing brain size & race to Sam Harris platforming and defending Charles Murray. The next 2 parts will be a panel featuring various scientists/academics. Including returning guest, Mr. @Evopsychgoogle from Twitter. Consider this episode a primer for the panel discussion. All parts are available early via patreon.com/nicemangos If you enjoy the show please consider supporting via patreon and access all episodes before they are released.

Here’s a recording of the Twitter Space from Friday Aug 2nd, ICYMI. Joining me on this Space was political writer/podcaster (and former rightwinger) Matthew Sheffield. As always, please note, Twitter Spaces are live events, and unfortunately the sound is never as good as the usual podcast audio, since u can only functionally use Spaces on the mobile app. If you enjoy the show pls consider supporting via patreon.com/nicemangos and leaving a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify —— If the *bad* kind of weirdness was an Olympic sport, it would be hard to pick a winner. There are so many unhinged rightwing takes to choose from. We discussed a whole lot on this Space - Seems like years worth of stuff, but it really just covers the past couple of weeks; The assassination attempt on Trump, the weird culty prop bandages, JD Vance, couches & dolphins, Biden stepping down & endorsing Kamala (this was recorded pre Walz being picked, so that isn’t mentioned), the weird rightwing meltdowns about Kamala being both of Indian heritage and being black….the rightwing outrage about the Olympics, JK Rowling and others plunging to new levels of transphobic madness, the Olympics allowing genocidal war criminals to participate - all that and more, right here. Links: Police warned Secret Service of a suspicious person at Trump rally before gunman opened fire, source says https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/-police-warned-secret-service-suspicious-person-trump-rally-shooting-rcna161933 Diapers for Trump: https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-supporters-wear-nappies-13129050 Charlie Kirk’s TPUSA wearing diapers https://www.salon.com/2018/03/25/how-a-diaper-protest-led-to-the-implosion-of-a-conservative-student-group/ Rowling’ s horrendous tweet about Imane Khelif which is still up at the time of this writing https://x.com/nicemangos/status/1819488996356964754?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Khelif’s opponent apologizes https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/c2j3jg51rg4o Loomer goes full birther about Kamala https://x.com/eyesontheright/status/1819240726003106181?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Loomer calls Kamala a ‘brain dead bimbo’ : https://x.com/eyesontheright/status/1815958476721369094?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Paris Olympics organisers apologise to Christians for unintentional Last Supper parody https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/jul/28/paris-olympics-organisers-apologise-to-christians-for-last-supper-parody Before Going MAGA, J.D. Vance Reportedly Brought Baked Goods to His Trans Friend: A former Yale classmate says Trump’s VP pick brought them treats while they recovered from top surgery. https://www.them.us/story/jd-vance-trans-friend-law-school-baked-goods-conservative-turn Vance searching for woman + dolphin https://x.com/atrupar/status/1816849447407456694?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

SAMPLE: I had a fun chat with Patron of the show, Mugsy. A fellow Canadian, who has an interesting history as a former funeral director. We talk a little about that, about progressive Christianity, his impression of Sam Harris, other recent episodes of Polite conversations, rightwing tokenism, racism in Canada, centrism & more! Access the full episode/series by becoming a patron today! www.patreon.com/nicemangos

Linguist, noted ‘Pinkerologist’ and friend of the show Dr. Caitlin Green (@Caitlinmoriah) joins me to analyze and discuss the Extremely Rational thoughts of one Steven Pinker. In pt 2 we discuss Pinker’s constant downplaying of r*pe statistics and the inadequate, cherry-picked sources he uses to support his flawed arguments. —— If you have experienced sexual assault or violence here are some helpful resources: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/safe-campuses-bc/what-is-consent https://www.brown.edu/campus-life/health/services/promotion/sexual-health-sex-101-sexual-assault-dating-violence-learn-more-alcohol-other-drugs-learn-more Brown University: Yes, it is possible to establish consent if you and/or your partner(s) have been drinking or using other drugs. Consent cannot be obtained through the use of coercion or force or by taking advantage of the incapacitation of another individual. If anyone is incapacitated for any reason, they cannot give consent. If someone has been using alcohol or other drugs and you are thinking about having any kind of sexual interaction with them, it is your responsibility to check in, ask, and make sure they consent to what is going on. Being intoxicated yourself does not absolve you of the responsibility of obtaining consent. If you are unsure whether you can establish consent, don’t have sex. https://endingviolencecanada.org/sexual-assault-centres-crisis-lines-and-support-services/ https://www.wannatalkaboutit.com/ca/sexual-violence/ https://www.rainn.org/international-sexual-assault-resources —— Links: Great thread by Kate Manne which came up in the episode https://x.com/kate_manne/status/1149902823200632833?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Detailed thread on Pinker’s discussion on R*pe in Better Angels of our Nature https://x.com/magi_jay/status/972958282125062144?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw! If you enjoy the show pls consider supporting via patreon.com/nicemangos

This is a public SAMPLE of an upcoming episode. Please subscribe via patreon.com to hear the full episode. Part 2 is available via Patreon.com/nicemangos ——- Linguist, noted ‘Pinkerologist’ and friend of the show Dr. Caitlin Green (@Caitlinmoriah) joins me to analyze and discuss the Extremely Rational thoughts of one Steven Pinker. In pt 2 we discuss Pinker’s constant downplaying of r*pe statistics and the inadequate, cherry-picked sources he uses to support his flawed arguments. —— If you have experienced sexual assault or violence here are some helpful resources: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/safe-campuses-bc/what-is-consent https://www.brown.edu/campus-life/health/services/promotion/sexual-health-sex-101-sexual-assault-dating-violence-learn-more-alcohol-other-drugs-learn-more Brown University: Yes, it is possible to establish consent if you and/or your partner(s) have been drinking or using other drugs. Consent cannot be obtained through the use of coercion or force or by taking advantage of the incapacitation of another individual. If anyone is incapacitated for any reason, they cannot give consent. If someone has been using alcohol or other drugs and you are thinking about having any kind of sexual interaction with them, it is your responsibility to check in, ask, and make sure they consent to what is going on. Being intoxicated yourself does not absolve you of the responsibility of obtaining consent. If you are unsure whether you can establish consent, don’t have sex. https://endingviolencecanada.org/sexual-assault-centres-crisis-lines-and-support-services/ https://www.wannatalkaboutit.com/ca/sexual-violence/ https://www.rainn.org/international-sexual-assault-resources —— Links: Great thread by Kate Manne which came up in the episode https://x.com/kate_manne/status/1149902823200632833?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Detailed thread on Pinker’s discussion on R*pe in Better Angels of our Nature https://x.com/magi_jay/status/972958282125062144?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw!

Linguist, noted ‘Pinkerologist’ and friend of the show Dr. Caitlin Green joins me to analyze and discuss the Extremely Rational thoughts of one Steven Pinker. In part 1 we discuss hats, gloves, rationality, hypocrisy, Pinker’s special brand of ‘positivity P 0rn’ and more! Links: Steven Pinker's aid in Jeffrey Epstein's legal defense renews criticism of an increasingly divisive public intellectual. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/07/17/steven-pinkers-aid-jeffrey-epsteins-legal-defense-renews-criticism-increasingly A thread on the ironically named organization FAIR (Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism) - a who’s who of some of the most intolerant and racist rightwing hacks around https://x.com/nicemangos/status/1367585945160146947?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw The Harvard Crimson: Pinker is often willing to defend his colleagues — even when it attracts controversy. In 2012, the University of Miami philosopher Colin McGinn was accused of sexual harassment by a graduate student. When the matter became public, Pinker wrote in an open letter that McGinn was a “brilliant and distinguished scholar” and that if the University of Miami pursued disciplinary action against McGinn for “exchanging sexual banter with a graduate student,” it would “put a chill on communication between faculty and graduate students and on the openness and informality on which scholarship depends.” In our conversation, Pinker often brings up “The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature,” which, even two decades after its release, illustrates core aspects of his thinking today. The book argues that our individual behaviors — our intelligence, our sociability, our tendencies toward violence — are rooted in our genes, not just the environment in which we are raised. “.. in 2006 Pinker published a favorable review of a scientific paper which argued that Ashkenazi Jews may have evolved to have higher IQs than other racial and ethnic groups.” One of the first academics to be canceled, Pinker says, was E. O. Wilson. Wilson was a biologist and professor of evolutionary biology at Harvard. Today, he is known for two things: his award-winning work on biodiversity and his public branding as a racist. In 1975, Wilson published a book called “Sociobiology: The New Synthesis,” which argues that behaviors result from genes — “very much in the strain of work that I wrote about on human nature,” Pinker says — and stepped into a debate about scientific racism. In his book, Wilson writes that there should be a “discipline of anthropological genetics” to explore whether cultural differences are biological. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2022/10/27/steven-pinker-scrut/ Pinker currently serves on the E. O. Wilson Biodiversity Foundation’s board of advisers https://eowilsonfoundation.org/about-us/our-team/ Screenshot, Pinker upset at anti-scientism and historians ‘historicizing’ https://x.com/mccormick_ted/status/1182645627169263616?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Pinker smears anti-genocide students as ‘Pro-Hamas’ https://x.com/nicemangos/status/1810472709580570796?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Pinker’s video about how ‘Political Correctness is redpilling America’ https://x.com/nicemangos/status/1138497096569540609?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Pinker Publishes response about associations with Epstein on Jerry Coyne’s blog which has also done the Just Asking Questions routine about whether convicted child r*pist Jerry Sandusky was truly guilty or not. https://x.com/nicemangos/status/1150216005114912769?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw —— Pls subscribe via patreon.com/nicemangos to support the show Pt 2 available early to patrons

*This is a public sample of an upcoming episode. Please subscribe via patreon.com to hear the full episode. Part 2 is available via the Premium tiers on Patreon.* —— Linguist, noted ‘Pinkerologist’ and friend of the show Dr. Caitlin Green joins me to analyze and discuss the Extremely Rational thoughts of one Steven Pinker. In part 1 we discuss hats, gloves, rationality, hypocrisy, Pinker’s special brand of ‘positivity P 0rn’ and more! —— Links: Steven Pinker's aid in Jeffrey Epstein's legal defense renews criticism of an increasingly divisive public intellectual. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/07/17/steven-pinkers-aid-jeffrey-epsteins-legal-defense-renews-criticism-increasingly A thread on the ironically named organization FAIR (Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism) - a who’s who of some of the most intolerant and racist rightwing hacks around https://x.com/nicemangos/status/1367585945160146947?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw The Harvard Crimson: Pinker is often willing to defend his colleagues — even when it attracts controversy. In 2012, the University of Miami philosopher Colin McGinn was accused of sexual harassment by a graduate student. When the matter became public, Pinker wrote in an open letter that McGinn was a “brilliant and distinguished scholar” and that if the University of Miami pursued disciplinary action against McGinn for “exchanging sexual banter with a graduate student,” it would “put a chill on communication between faculty and graduate students and on the openness and informality on which scholarship depends.” In our conversation, Pinker often brings up “The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature,” which, even two decades after its release, illustrates core aspects of his thinking today. The book argues that our individual behaviors — our intelligence, our sociability, our tendencies toward violence — are rooted in our genes, not just the environment in which we are raised. “.. in 2006 Pinker published a favorable review of a scientific paper which argued that Ashkenazi Jews may have evolved to have higher IQs than other racial and ethnic groups.” One of the first academics to be canceled, Pinker says, was E. O. Wilson. Wilson was a biologist and professor of evolutionary biology at Harvard. Today, he is known for two things: his award-winning work on biodiversity and his public branding as a racist. In 1975, Wilson published a book called “Sociobiology: The New Synthesis,” which argues that behaviors result from genes — “very much in the strain of work that I wrote about on human nature,” Pinker says — and stepped into a debate about scientific racism. In his book, Wilson writes that there should be a “discipline of anthropological genetics” to explore whether cultural differences are biological. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2022/10/27/steven-pinker-scrut/ Pinker currently serves on the E. O. Wilson Biodiversity Foundation’s board of advisers https://eowilsonfoundation.org/about-us/our-team/ Screenshot, Pinker upset at anti-scientism and historians ‘historicizing’ https://x.com/mccormick_ted/status/1182645627169263616?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Pinker smears anti-genocide students as ‘Pro-Hamas’ https://x.com/nicemangos/status/1810472709580570796?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Pinker’s video about how ‘Political Correctness is redpilling America’ https://x.com/nicemangos/status/1138497096569540609?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw Pinker Publishes response about associations with Epstein on Jerry Coyne’s blog which has also done the Just Asking Questions routine about whether convicted child r*pist Jerry Sandusky was truly guilty or not. https://x.com/nicemangos/status/1150216005114912769?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

I’m writing a series over on my patreon…on something thats pretty personal to me - the Ex-Mus to TradFash pipeline. It’s a path I’ve seen too many go down and completely descend into blatant far right f*ckery. I’ve dedicated a fair bit of time this month to unpacking this phenomenon more broadly and to documenting the far right trajectory of one Ex-Muslim in particular, previously thought to be one of the better, more moderate ones by many who had followed the new atheist and Ex-Muslim scenes. If you are interested in learning more about this particular form of radicalization, do check out the series on my patreon. Parts 1 & 2 are up for all Patrons, Part 3 (the wildest ride of the series) coming soon. *** Find part 1 here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/106445369 Find Part 2 here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/106501752 Once you’re a Patron you can also check out other Patreon Exclusive posts like “Black History Month with Sam Harris: https://www.patreon.com/posts/black-history-98603534?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link