Synopsis:Experiencing a “high risk” pregnancy and birth while growing a new life during the pandemic was transformative for Wiradjuri writer and producer Hannah Donnelly, and Arab-Turkish partner, writer Omar Sakr. We talk about queering birth, the administrative load of pregnancy, and the need for collective infrastructure to improve birthing experiences and outcomes for families and communities.Notes:HannahBlacklight: Ten Years of First Nations Storytelling edited by Hannah DonnellyArts and Cultural Exchange (ACE)Westmead Dragonfly MidwiferyOmarNon-Essential Work by Omar SakrShelf Reflection: Omar SakrThree poems by Omar SakrMusic:Music in this episode includes ‘Dream Drone’ by Yigit Atilla, and ‘ZEN’ by All Bets Off used under an Audio Standard Licence from Adobe Stock.Birthing and Justice is written and produced by Dr Ruth De Souza on the traditional and unceded lands of the Boon Wurrung people of the Kulin Nations. Sound editing by Olivia Smith.