This 2022 podcast episode is a conversation between Maria Murphy (then associate director of the FQT Center) and Lane Timothy Speidel, Philadelphia artist, musician, writer, and Gender Jawn's podcast producer. In their new exhibition at Vox Populi Gallery, ALL EXITS, Lane Speidel lets us into the backstage of the mind. Sculptures and paintings create a night that is a frozen dream where we can all get lost, take off our underwear, and quit our jobs. Saggy, their music project is deeply discussed, as well as many references from their life practice of surrender. Satre, insomnia, perspectival painting, strikes, and cat accents are all mentioned.    Songs by Saggy in order are:  "big big sky" (2022)  "I can look however I want and I still get to tell you who I am" (2018)  "I hate time" (2018)  "Anti-Work" (2022)  "Clover" (2022)    Saggy is made of Lane Speidel and Jim Strong - as well as any others who wish to be included.  A limited list based on the episode's recordings : Billy Ray Boyer, Elliott Rosenfeld, Lydia Shea, Schuyler Thumb, Jack, and Ian. More Saggy can be found here: https://ihopeilikethis.com/Saggy