You're listening to Voices of Your Village and today I got to hang out with Pepper Stetler. She is the author of A Measure of Intelligence: One Mother's Reckoning with the IQ Test. She writes extensively on issues facing people with intellectual disabilities and their caregivers. Her writing has appeared in the New York Times, the Atlantic, Slate, the Progressive. Pepper is a professor of art history at Miami University in Oxford, Ohio, where she lives with her husband and daughter, Louisa. I love this conversation because it is not just about folks with intellectual disabilities. We talked about school systems and how they are not set up systemically to support all of our children. And this is not at the fault of teachers. Teachers are incredible and slaying, and we need to shift the systems in which they work in order to better serve the classroom as a whole, and we got to dive into what that looks like and talk about some of those things. I shared my biggest dreams for what tests look like and how we're utilizing them. I would love to hear your thoughts on this. Come on over to Instagram @seed.and.sew and share your thoughts with us. We'll have a post up about this episode, and I want to hear your takeaways and your thoughts and feedback and whether or not your kid might benefit from some of the things that we toss up in this episode. And if you're a teacher, come share your challenges and grievances and what you would love to see change as well. I want to hear from all of you. I want to continue this conversation. All right, folks, let's dive in.  Connect with Pepper: X/Twitter: https://x.com/pepperstetler Website: https://www.pepperstetler.com/about Order the book: A Measure of Intelligence: One Mother's Reckoning with the IQ Test Connect with us: Instagram: @seed.and.sew  Podcast page: Voices of Your Village Seed and Sew's Regulation Quiz: Take the Quiz Order Tiny Humans, Big Emotions now!  Website: seedandsew.org Music by: Ruby Adams and Bensound Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices