In this conversation, Meenu Gupta engages with Dr. Ketakandriyana Rafitoson, a political scientist and human rights defender from Madagascar, discussing the urgent need for climate justice and the role of governance in addressing corruption and social justice. They explore the dynamics between the Global South and North, the importance of grassroots movements, and the necessity of empowering affected communities to lead the dialogue on climate change. The conversation emphasizes the interconnectedness of justice, dignity, and democracy while also addressing the risks faced by activists and the ethical dimensions of transparency. Ultimately, they highlight the power of resistance and collective action as a source of hope in the face of global challenges.KeywordsClimate justice, corruption, governance, social justice, democracy, people power, global south, activism, transparency, human rightsTakeaways-Climate justice is a pressing demand, not a choice.-Corruption and misgovernance are prevalent in both Global South and North.-Justice is multifaceted and requires a political and economic model centered on people.-Democracy must allow for change and citizen expression through clean elections.-People power is essential for challenging the status quo.-The voices of affected communities must be amplified in global dialogues.-Access to transparent information is crucial for community empowerment.-Activists face significant risks but truth must be pursued courageously.-Ethics and integrity are foundational to transparency and governance.-Collective action and community engagement can reshape narratives and foster hope.Sound bites"Resistance is contagious.""Justice doesn't come without costs.""We can do better. We can do more."Chapters00:00 The Call for Climate Justice04:41 From Local Activism to Global Advocacy09:11 Corruption and Governance: A Global Perspective14:25 Justice, Dignity, and Democracy15:55 The Role of Governance in Social Justice23:23 People Power: The Path to Change27:57 Amplifying Voices of the Affected35:44 Leading the Dialogue on Climate Justice36:10 The Broken System and Climate Change37:21 Empowering Affected Communities at COP40:35 Access to Information and Rights42:59 Recognizing Affected People as Agents45:52 Navigating Risks in Advocacy51:22 The Ethics of Transparency55:14 Reclaiming Community and Collective Action01:03:07 Hope Amidst Challenges01:04:47 Future Aspirations and New Strategies