Doree and Elise reflect on the five-year anniversary of Covid lockdown. Then, they invite Ash Perez (former BuzzFeed video star and current 2nd Try cast member) on to talk about his relationship to his father and masculinity, what his journey has taught him about the performance of gender, how he decides what information to share publicly and what to keep private, and what he’s doing to make sense of the news right now. To leave a voicemail or text for a future episode, reach Doree & Elise at 781-591-0390. You can also email the podcast at forever35podcast@gmail.com.Visit forever35podcast.com for links to everything they mention on the show or visit shopmyshelf.us/forever35.Follow the podcast on Instagram (@Forever35Podcast) and sign up for the newsletter at forever35podcast.com/newsletter. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.