"I couldn’t be just an observer or a reader. I had to be this person that could see everything and find the story." Emily Palmer's work is intense. As an investigative crime reporter who has worked for the New York Times and People Magazine, and whose work has appeared in the Boston Globe, ProPublica, Cosmopolitan, and Elle, Emily has spent a great deal of time at crime scenes, in courtrooms, and even in Mexico with members of El Chapo's cartel. In this conversation, Emily talks about how and why she has pursued a life of crime — covering crime, that is. She explains her approach to how she does her job, talks about the importance of empathy, and gets into the role running plays during her most exhausting and overwhelming work days. SPONSORS:  goodr: Click here and use code ALI for $5 off your next order. UCAN: Click here to get a FREE UCAN Edge sample pack (you’ll just pay the cost of shipping), including the new Mocha + Caffeine gel and the Chocolate gel. (My dream!) Then, use code ALI for 20% off your next UCAN order. In this episode: What running looks like for Emily right now, one month post-NYC Marathon (3:20) What Young Emily was like (11:10) How Emily became an investigative crime reporter (16:15) What it’s like being called to a crime scene (24:20) On feeling unsafe on the job (36:00) Investigative journalism vs. true crime (40:15) The stories Emily is proudest of (45:30) On being a “criminal apologist” (1:07:40) Emily's shout-out on Brooklyn Nine-Nine (1:13:15) How, when, and why Emily became a runner (1:15:40) Emily's hopes, dreams, and goals on the run and at work (1:21:00) For more from Emily: Emily's first piece for the New York Times Emily's first New York Times byline Emily's Carlos Vega story for the New York Times Emily's profile of El Chapo's wife (and what she calls her favorite story) Emily's People magazine cover story Follow Ali: Instagram @aliontherun1 Join the Facebook group Twitter @aliontherun1 Support on Patreon Subscribe to the newsletter SUPPORT the Ali on the Run Show! If you’re enjoying the show, please subscribe and leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. Spread the run love. And if you liked this episode, share it with your friends!