Jess fills us in on her vacation, and we learn all about poo haikus. Then, BFFs Ann Friedman and Aminatou Sow join the show! They reveal the inspiration behind their book, Big Friendship: How We Keep Each Other Close. Ann and Aminatou talk about the nuances of being in an interracial friendship and the importance of finding a middle ground in relationships. Stay tuned as we dive deep into our own friendship and how critical it is to connect with family and create a community. Send us your feedback, email feedback@shepodcasts.com! We can’t wait to hear from you! Reach out to Dr. Ginger Campbell! Have her on your show to talk about her new book Are You Sure? The Unconscious Origins of Certainty. Book her on your next episode: brainscience@gmail.com PRODUCE YOUR PODCAST IS AMAZING! Hire them to do all the things that you really dislike doing EPISODE LENGTH 1:27:12 4:47 We’ve never had an interview like this! 5:23 If you want to engage with our guests, they will be inside our Super Squad from now on! 7:20 Elsie asks Jess to fills us in on her vacation  10:29 The poop story 17:34 Super Squad updates! We’re doing our QAs in our awesome new membership 19:56 Elsie’s new awesome headphones! A pure vanity buy 25:24 Our new sponsor Dr. Ginger Campbell - she’s looking to be a guest on other people’s show to talk about her new book 31:46 Elsie and Jess intro their special guests! 33:15 BFFs Ann Friedman and Aminatou Sow join the show! 33:46 Why they decided to write a book? 35:09 How Ann and Aminatou are doing  37:31 The meaning behind “Big” Friendship People can meet later in life and form a “Big” Friendship 44:24 The nuisances of being in an interracial friendship  48:28 Talking through the vocabulary in their book Sometimes it took a long time to find the vocabulary  She Detects! 51:38 Friend breakups 54:06 The awesomeness of Produce Your Podcast! 55:18 Elsie and Jess discuss even more about Big Friendship 1:07:01 Elsie’s realization that she needs to treat friendship differently 1:17:39 Starting school in 4th grade 1:21:50 How Jess navigated friendships after the loss of Emily 1:25:14 We would love your feedback! Tweet out to Ann and Aminatou! LINKS! New Headphones: MEE audio Sport-Fi Earphone-M6CL-MEE Noise Isolating In-Ear Headphones with Memory Wire (Clear) KINPS Audio Auxiliary Stereo Extension Audio Cable 3.5mm Stereo Jack Male to Female, Stereo Jack Cord for Phones, Headphones, Speakers, Tablets, PCs, MP3 Players and More (10ft/3m, Gray–2 Pack) “Are You Sure? The Unconscious Origins of Certainty” explores the evidence that the feeling of certainty is generated by unconscious processes in the brain. Email Dr. Ginger: brainsciencepodcast@gmail.com Produce Your Podcast Shine Theory Big Friendship: How We Keep Each Other Close Call Your Girlfriend Podcast Connect with Ann on Twitter or Instagram Connect with Aminatou on Twitter or Instagram She Podcasts thank-you to our Sponsors! → Our editor John from Audio Editing Solutions. He is so good you need to hire him STAT! → Dr. Ginger Campbell! And her book The Unconscious Origins of Certainty → Produce Your Podcast! Help Us Spread The Word! It would be stellar if you shared She Podcasts with your fellow women podcasters on twitter. Click here to tweet some love! If this episode got you all fired up SUBSCRIBE wherever you get your podcasts! ONE CLICK! Feedback + Promotion for Women Podcasters You can ask your questions by emailing feedback@shepodcasts.com. We love audio feedback! Let your voice be heard, record your voice via voice memo in your smartphone and send it over! You can also join the She Podcasts Facebook group!