Kelly interviews Georgia attorney Jon David Huffman about fraud cases and victim experience. Huffman says embezzlement in positions of trust is more often committed by women in his experience, discusses the difficulty of finding good lawyers, and notes investigators could be stronger referral sources though rules limit referral fees. Jon explains his career path was influenced by a mentor and a decade-long family dispute rooted in a fraudulent M&A deal, leading him to a practice where he found about 80% of cases involve fraud. He describes using Georgia’s private warrant process when police decline clear-cut fraud, contrasts rural vs. metro prosecution challenges, and shares trial moments where cross-examination exposes cons. He’s writing “The Real Cost of Fraud” to counter victim self-blame, recounts being conned twice, and recommends resources like American Greed and fraud-related books.Connect with Jon: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jondavidhuffman/00:25 Fraudster Dinner Picks01:26 Who Embezzles More02:44 Origin Story of Fraud Lawyer04:52 Bad Lawyers and Referrals07:10 Private Warrants When Cops Won’t10:11 Selling Fraud Cases to Prosecutors12:41 Victim Emotions and Grief15:33 Why Trials Are Thrilling18:08 Why Fraud Cases Don’t Settle21:23 Brazenness and Range Rovers24:55 Writing The Real Cost of Fraud26:52 Books and Red Flags30:00 Even Lawyers Get Conned31:31 Law Firm Embezzlement Story33:54 Fraud Docs and Reading List36:34 Final Advice and Wrap Up