Sarah Kain Gutowski is the author of Fabulous Beast and along with interdisciplinary artist Meredith Starr, she’s co-creator of Every Second Feels Like Theft, a conversation in cyanotypes and poems, and It's All Too Much, a limited edition podcast and art project. She’s out now with a new book of narrative poetry, The Familiar. In today’s episode, Sarah and Annmarie discuss the ache of literary ambition, how parenthood divides us from ourselves, and how Moonstruck is one of the best movies of all time. Episode Sponsor: Zora’s Den – Dedicated to empowering the lives of Black women writers. At Zora’s Den, we host a monthly reading series, conduct workshops, and invite writers to share their work-in-progress for feedback and constructive criticism. Our hope is to build a sisterhood of writers at every level of accomplishment and to strengthen the voices of the unheard and unacknowledged. If you’re a Black woman writer, you’re welcome to join us. Learn more at zorasden.com. Split Rock Books – A locally-owned, independently-minded neighborhood bookstore located in the heart of the Hudson Valley. Split Rock carries a curated selection of new books with a focus on literary fiction and non-fiction, small presses, local interest, and children's books. We host a variety of family programming, book clubs, readings, signings and discussions. And we’re located steps from the Cold Spring train station, which is just over an hour from New York City. Learn more or shop online at splitrockbks.com. Titles Discussed in this Episode: The Familiar, by Sarah Kain Gutowski Fabulous Beast, by Sarah Kain Gutowski  Kate Bush's album 50 Words for Snow One of Annmarie and Sarah’s favorite scenes from the movie Moonstruck. Hills Like White Elephants, a short story by Ernest Hemingway. ​ Follow Sarah Kain Gutowski: Instagram: @sarahkaingutowski Twitter: @skgutowski Facebook: /sarahkaingutowskiauthor TikTok: @sarahkaingutowski Email: sarah.kain.gutowski [at] gmail.com Website: https://www.sarahkaingutowski.com Photo credit: Priyanca Rao Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices