We're bringing you episode 5 of Dana R. Fisher's COP Out podcast, from the Center for Environment, Equity and Community at American University, featuring our own Amy Westervelt and legendary climate scientist Dr. Katharine Hayhoe talking about what happened at this year's COP, whether the process is fixable, and how to get the benefits of global convenings without all the headaches. Check out the rest of Dana's series here: https://cece.american.edu/cece-launches-the-copout-podcast-for-apocalyptically-optimistic-climate-conversations/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices